Work-Life Balance and Finding your Rhythm: with Artist Kinsey Artfitch

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Hello, and welcome to cowgirl artists of America's podcast, a podcast dedicated to cowgirl artists, I'm CA's founder and your host, Megan Wimberley. I am a working artist myself, and I know personally the level of work and commitment that goes into this business. In this episode, I talk with Western artists, Kinsey Artfitch a past Art of the Cowgirl fellowship recipient, whose inspiration comes from her Western upbringing, as well as a strong rodeo and ranching way of life. She currently resides in rural South Carolina with her husband and four small children together. They train horses, rodeo, and race cattle, Kinsey, and I discuss the very real struggle of balancing all the responsibilities of an art career with our daily life. We talk about time management, the importance of family and finding your rhythm. And now for a quick note from our sponsor, just kidding. Our podcast is brand new.

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Hello. Hey

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Megan.

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Hey. Yay. It worked! Well, cool. Well, are you ready to get started?

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Yeah. Let's go for it.

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Why don't you describe what your vision is for your art?

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Actually, it ends up coming back to the same thing over and over, and that is really just, I absolutely love the west. I was born and raised in Southern Colorado and very much a ranching community and lifestyle and just, I was immersed in it and it's all I knew then. My heart is just still in the west and the Western way of life, the Western it's just who we are and I cannot get away from it no matter where we go. And, and also much of that is just the people and the, the, just the, the spirit of, of the people, and the culture in the west. That's, that's really, it seems to be in my art. What inspires me the most.

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And you're self-taught yeah, yeah.

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You know, it's kinda a funny story. I, I was I was raised my, my dad was an artist, a professional artist, and in my opinion, one of the best I've ever seen, he had a pretty rough go of it.

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He was paralyzed from the waist down when I was little girl. And so he that's, when he discovered that he had something he could do with, with his art, and trying to support a family on that. Being raised around that, I, I always had a pencil and a sketchbook at all times when everywhere we went, but I also had no interest in anything my dad was doing. I didn't want to hear or know anything that he was doing. I just wanted to be a kid, but I did love to draw. Everywhere I went, I would draw and draw, draw, and he, and they encouraged that. And I'm so glad. And they used to say, boy, you've really gotta do something with that. And I, I wanted nothing to do with an artistic career. I mean, you could not have paid me.

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dad do or, or whatnot. And in: 2019

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Yeah. That's awesome, man. It's so interesting. How just one little thing can change the course of your life, you know, in the moment it's just the thing you're doing. Mm-Hmm and then you look back and you're like, that literally turned my life in a different direction.

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Isn't that the truth? Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes it seems like don't really have a choice

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Either. yeah, that for sure. Well, so I know you mentioned being a busy mama. What, what are your main responsibilities that you're juggling each day?

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Holy smokes. Are you sitting down? No, I'm kidding. Well, so we, we, we live a little bit it of an unusual life for, for, I guess not conventional in that we we've homeschooled since the beginning. We also live very rural. We have, we raise cows we've we rodeo. We just, we stay very, very busy, but it's, it's a lot of fun and, and we, we are so grateful to be able to live of this life. It's a lot of work, but so they just, their age is 10 on down to three. And so it's just always a lot going on to put it mildly and it keeps us very busy. And then art on top of that is like, it's just

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A lot. So what in a week or in a day, whichever makes most sense to you? How much are you painting?

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That's a good question. It's kinda hard to exactly articulate that, but I will say I've trained myself. I do wake up sometimes three 30, sometimes four 30, if I'm slacking five 30, but I try to keep it around 4 35 max. And just, just get a few hours before the kids get in. Those are my best hours. Start the day with coffee and I try to get in the word God's word a little bit, just get some, get the day going, right. And then, then I have a few hours before they get up and that I get a lot done. And then, then we start school and do chores and kind of have our routine and then nap time, praise the Lord for nap time. That's when I really go at it again too. and I'll get a lot done then. And, and then if we've got school finished up, try to get in a little bit more, but then we've usually got horses to ride and more chores and lots of other just work around here to do. And the rest of the day is it's hard to nail down, but I do try to get at least three or four hours in a day on a good day. ,

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That's pretty incredible, especially for homeschooling and having the ranch to take care of. That's a lot of painting. Are you naturally a morning person?

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No, no, no. With each child you learn to get up a little bit sooner and a little bit in that time is so precious to get up early and it's just so quiet. And so I've had to definitely myself to do that. And it's, it's also been, it's just been something I've had to do over the years, but now it's natural. Like I don't set my alarm at all that my body just knows up it's time gotta get at it. Oh wow. And so I'm yeah, I'm grateful for that. And I love it. It's it's my absolute favorite time of the day. Because at night I am shot. I don't, you don't wanna see me paint or do anything at night cause it won't be pretty so

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What time are you going to bed at night?

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ly, we don't get to bed until: 10:30

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Do you take a day off of everything or some things like, do you have a day that you consider a rest day?

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No, you know, I, if I see an opportunity when it should be a rest time and I'm feeling like I'm, I can get at it and it's a good time, I'll go ahead and start painting and jump in there and take advantage of the, of the moments. But I do try to be, I try to be really, really careful because I am a mom and a wife. I feel like the world has such a message to women. That's lesser choice to be a stay-at-home mom or a wife. And I feel like there's just this push, like it's maybe looked down on if you're not doing a full-time career or trying to do something more. And so it's very important to me that I don't get that turned around because I feel strongly like God has given me a distinct abilities and talents to do certain things.

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I believe every woman does in, in so many different areas and many that I don't have, but, and, and that it brings glory to God for those women to do those things, but not at the cost of the very people that he's put in your life because people are, people are more important than anything. And so people are what is most important and relationships. And so with sometimes I get so frustrated because I feel like I'm not getting enough done. And boy, if I just, if I didn't have them around all the time, how much more could I get done? And oh, I gotta stop myself. I'm like, wait a minute, stop. That is, we're getting this mixed up again. I do the art because it enables me to be a stay at home mama and that's the blessing. And, and I don't ever wanna turn that around because they are the most important work ever in my life. And so and there will be a season, you know, cuz season's changed. And also I feel like I really feel strongly that being a mom has truly made me a better artist because had I not been a mom and had the responsibilities I have, I would not be nearly as disciplined. I've had to learn so much about discipline and working hard work ethic and scheduling and all that.

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Yeah. I think it is so hard to find balance. And whether it's like between your, you know, your role as a mom or, you know, a wife or a partner or maybe if you're working another job or whatever it is. And then also taking time for yourself too, I think it can be, can be really hard. And I, in this incredibly beautiful space and there are days where I don't go outside for like sometimes I'll step outside and I'm like, oh my gosh. Like I feel like it's like a sin that I, I go out and enjoy of beauty around me. And, and it's just that I have so much work to do. And I sit there in this one spot and I I'm like power through power through power through. And I I've noticed yeah, in the last month about the time Sunday hits, I am like, I am not doing anything on Monday.

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I have got to go outside and not look at my computer. And so when we, when we recognize those things in big ways, it's easier for us to be like, okay, yeah, I need to take a break or I'm gonna get burned out. But it's important to recognize before we get to that point. And so for me, like one of the things I've been doing instead of having like an afternoon cup of coffee, some homemade hot chocolate and it's like delicious and it gives me that little boost and it's such a pleasure to have. Yeah. And so I've started using that when I'm like, oh man, I really, I need that cup of chocolate to get me through the rest of the day. I'm like, okay, this is a, a reminder to me that I need to take a moment and do something different before I allow myself to make the drink. You know, I sit down and do a little bit of yoga or stretching or go out for a run and that's been helpful, but it is, it is really hard whenever you have so many responsibilities, like I know that you do to yeah. Find that time to chip away for yourself. It just feels like a constant. Yeah, to me it kind of feels like running downhill. It's like, you're just going downhill and you, you just have to, you have to keep with the momentum, you know?

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yeah, yeah. That's a good, I know. I, I think that it's, it's just something that is, once you finally think you've got it figured out a season will change. And I, I, I just try to roll with it. And I know like one of my favorite pastors he's passed away now, but he always used to say, bless it. Or the flexible for shall not be broken . Yeah. And it's like, just roll with it. And when you have a minute to just, and I think, you know, too with resting, I think that is so important. Like Sunday we do try to rest more and we definitely go to church it's an hour drive. So it takes a big chunk of the day. But I've learned that like, man, I could get so much done. I'm like, no, this is this the best time.

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Because it's our family time. It's time that we really get filled up and that makes me better. It makes me a better artist. It makes me a better mom. So it's like, when we do take care of ourselves, like you said, and take care of it's it, it does. It comes back around cuz yeah. If we get depleted, then I think it shows was in our work and I get tired of seeing my stuff. Like I wanna break, like I'm tired of looking at my paintings. I'm tired of looking at my stuff yeah. At

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A certain, yeah. After a certain point it's like, you can't even see what it looks like anymore. Exactly.

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Yeah. Well the other thing is, you know, and I feel like I kind of have like an intimate understanding of this because I've told you before, but you know, I was diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis and thank God it's yeah. Managed really well. I have a great doctor and I really, at this point, knock on wood. Don't have hardly any symptoms from it anymore. Wow. But whenever I first was diagnosed, I was really sick and it gave me this understanding of, I can't bet my life away in my future. Exactly. I think so many people think, oh, I'll do that. I'll do that next year. Yeah. I'll do that when I retire. And for me it's a very real possibility that when I retire, I'm not gonna be able to go on that hike. And wow. I really hope that that's not the case and I try to be really positive.

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Yeah. But I just have, you know, and that's true for everybody. I mean, anybody could get in their car and get in an accident and have a very bad result come from that. And, and so I think like just remembering yes, your work is important and yes, your goals are important and nothing, nothing hardly really beats some hard work, but at the end of the day, we aren't even guaranteed the next second. And like, how can we try to make sure that we're, we're living our life in a way that we can be proud in all areas of it. And that can be, it can be such a hard thing.

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Yeah, man, you are so right. I I'm right there with you. It's that is that's. So you're just being all in, ready to ready to go. My, my grandma was a lot, like she was incredible. I mean, she'd be ready to go rafting when she was like 80. I mean she's like, yeah, let's go, let's do it. And I really learned from her, she was always up for anything anytime. And I get it now. Cause you just, you don't know. Yeah. So yeah. I'm I'm with you and I think that's awesome cuz I think that's probably gonna help you go a lot longer and stronger with that attitude too. Megan. Yeah. I

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Hope, I hope so. I I'm trying to work through not being afraid to venture out, but yeah, I really like your grandma's attitude cuz it is like taking those, those opportunities and yeah. It's just so easy to make excuses to not do them. But so like when you're say you've been in a really good groove, you feel like holistically, your schedule's been working really well. And then whatever it is, like I know you guys have been sick recently and that throws everything off. Do you have any strategies for getting that groove back?

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Well, I think obviously just, it's so hard. You never, yeah. You don't know. I mean from, oh, guess what the cows got out to, oh, you know this, you know, I just had a horse with an iron injury a couple days ago too, and I've gotta treat him every day and then there's another one. That's got a leg injury and then my youngest has crew and my husband's, it's just one thing after another. And you just, honestly, it's just like by the grace of God go I, and you just get back out, you just get back at it and start fresh every day and just start, start, do as best you can rest as, as, as often as you can. And also one thing I've really learned this year too, is with deadlines and pressure and whether it's commissions or shows or whatever, you're trying to meet the deadline for.

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It's not the end of the world. If you, a lot of times what we build up in our mind, yes, you do wanna meet your deadline. But so often the pressure is from us. Like we wanna be perfect. We've gotta have it this way, this way or, but you know what, sometimes things just, the don't happen the way we see it and they end up working out even better. Sometimes if it doesn't happen perfectly when or how we want it. So I've, I've been learning to just go with it. cause life is crazy. As you know, it's just trying to schedule this podcast with me cause you just gotta go with it and, and just try again the next day. That's all you can do. And I don't, I don't live by a strict, rigid schedule cuz I don't, I don't know how you can with a lot of kids. I know some moms do I and I, my hats are off to them. Cause I can't, I've tried, I can't do it, but just, I think more of the routine and the, the rhythm in the house and the rhythm of how you run your life is more important than the actual schedule, because then that allows for some variances and, and curve balls thrown in there.

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Yeah. Yeah. I find like if, if I, I for myself have to be pretty rigid, which I, for the most part don't have any children around, but whenever my partner's daughter is here, then I'm really actively involved with her and my whole schedule just totally changes. Yeah. And she's a delightful child. Like I love having her around and now engaging with her. But as far as my productivity on my business goes, it's just like in the negative. And I have such a hard time getting back in my groove, like, which I think this year is gonna be better cuz I, I just have so much to balance at this point that it's not even, mm-hmm, an option to like I, I just had to come to the realization that yes, working for yourself is wonderful and you can be flexible when you need to, but you also really have to honor that time that's for work. And so yeah, I've gotten better at, at that about recognizing I have to do these things this week. Like I can't just keep putting them off. And so yeah, that's better. But yeah man, when I get out of that, out of that groove, it just can be so hard.

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You know, one thing for me, I will say that helps me cuz I, I don't do well living by the clock cuz I get frustrated and I just kind of give up if it doesn't work out one day or another, but the drive, the internal drive is what keeps me pushing and pushing and pushing cuz I'm, I'm extremely driven, but I'm not a driven person naturally. I'd have to say it kind of goes along with what you mentioned your attitude about life because you know, you don't know what tomorrow brings and it's, it's kind of similar it's in that, that I feel like this ability to this artistic ability that God's clearly just dumped in my lap. I feel like I am, I wanna be the best steward of it as I can because it's, it's clearly a gift and it's something that's been just a, it's a blessing. And so I don't wanna waste it. I don't wanna waste a day cuz I don't know what tomorrow would bring. So that, that drive is what keeps me get getting back on track when I get out of rhythm. You know what I mean? Mm-Hmm does that make sense? Yeah,

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For sure. I mean, definitely that that's when I finally do get on track, that is what I would end up hitting me there. But I, you know, and I also wonder do you, whenever you get off schedule or you're like not feeling very productive, do you feel guilty about it? Well,

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I would like to have an opportunity to try I don't let, I don't get, I don't let myself get you off track. Cause also I'd say it's a little bit different too because before I had kids it, it would've been very different. So I, I guess I do under, I do understand now that I have kids it's also spinning down or standing at my ESIL or whatever is, is so relaxing for me. And so even when I get off track or if I haven't been doing it for a while, I miss it, so oh yeah. I hurry up and get, I, I get back in there as fast I can, but I, no, I don't, I don't feel guilty really because I, I just there's so much more guilt out there so there's enough to go around so I don't need more guilt yeah. But mostly I feel guilty. When I spend too much time in front of the, and not enough time with my kids and I'm like, you know what, this is not, this is not in, this is just needs to stop. I need to stop. And, and then, and then everybody's happy. I

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Definitely feel guilty when I'm not painting nothing. Both fortunately and unfortunately, you know, I haven't recently been able to paint as much and you know, for me there for a while I hit a stride where, and I couldn't do this forever, but for several weeks I've been to painting eight to 10 hours a day and was just being really productive. But I started realizing that what I had been doing was I would focus really heavy on one thing. And then I would focus really. So maybe I'd focus really heavy on painting for a while and then I'd switch over and I'd focus really heavy on social media or whatever it was, you know, these various aspect. And that's not really a good way to keep things going, but there mm-hmm, my amount of time that I've been able to paint recently has really dropped just, it's kind of just that time in the year that I'm doing some planning and things, but I definitely like, I'm like, oh, I feel a little guilty. And, and then whenever I sit down to paint, it just feels so good. Yeah. It's such a Zen happy, peaceful place to be.

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Don't you think too, like kinda like working out that sometimes when we do take an extended break, we actually come back better. Don't you think sometimes?

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Yeah. Sometimes. Yeah. Sometimes I think, yeah, it is interesting, you know, there's like science behind sleep and your brain processing things. And I definitely think that there is some truth to that. So I wanted to talk about a couple more things real quick before we get off, but specifically for scheduling. So we got a lot of people who are just so busy and trying to balance all their things. And so maybe sharing some tips or tricks. One thing for me that I've just started this year that has been really helpful is I've scheduled certain business side of things to reoccur on certain days of the month. And so I know for example that every Monday I'm gonna send out a newsletter for my own art and for cowgirl artists of America. And for the week too, every Sunday I have to have written a blog for cowgirl artists of America. And so there's just different, different tests that reoccur and for me that has really helped me manage my chaos of scheduling because I just know what to expect. And I can just tell Google to reschedule it every month. Are there any things like that that you're using?

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No, you've helped me tremendously in that area actually. so and so hopefully I'll be getting even better in that area, but it's cuz it, it is hard to, with so many variables in my day, just more the rhythm. But I do think when I do start letting myself slack with getting up later and later, that's my prime time is early in the morning. That's when I think the clearest and everything. And so when I let that start slip in, I need to definitely get the, get back on the ball with getting up early and get just keeping that, that rhythm and that routine and being really protective of it. And to me, it's very important. I immediately, when I get in my coffee, I will spend a couple of minutes just reading the Bible and that just helps get my mind.

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Right. And I can really tell a difference when, and also just coffee . But, but other than that, I it's, it's just, I'm in this season of absolute chaos, to be honest with you. And so it's just the rhythms and keeping that as best as I can throughout the day helps my whole family and myself just to stay on track. But other tips and, and tricks, I'd have to say probably just getting on a call with you and getting some mentorship going with how to schedule my days. , that's my tip. you are very, you are very helpful. And so I would encourage anyone to to give you a call and, and get, get some ideas. Cause you have a, just a plethora of ideas on things that I have no idea beforehand. So I do have a little planner, but it, sometimes it goes out the window, but I do try to, to write down in general, the goals I need to have by the, you know, the hard deadlines.

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And then I've got, here's what I'd like to accomplish this week in my paintings or which paintings I need to complete, or which commissions I need to get done or whatever. And by what date? So I try to stick by that as best I can. But again, because we are, we just have such a crazy season right now. I have to be flexible. So I do a lot for a lot of extra time in there because it, it doesn't, I, I very rarely get to just sit and do nothing. In fact, I don't even know when I've done that, but so I've gotta just keep going with the flow. But but I it's good to have friends like you that's for sure.

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Well, I'm glad that I can be helpful yes,

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You definitely are. You have, you have a lot of good good insights and, and, and wisdom.

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Well, thanks. Yeah. So I think, I guess just for, for everybody listening, I would say also that a couple things that keep in mind is that something that works for someone may not work for you. And so, like I know for me it would, it would have to be an extreme case where I could wake up at three or four 30 in the morning to paint

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and yeah, desperate times call for desperate

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Yeah. And you know, for sure, there's that point where you are passionate and dedicated and you do it. And that's, there's a lot to be said for that. But I think one of the things that I've worked really hard to do is to work with myself and not against myself, because for a long time I would set up strategies that were beneficial to like these business dudes, you know, that were really successful and they would write about it and I would read something they wrote, oh yeah. And be like, oh, you know, like I gotta do this. And it's so hard and I'm kind of failing at it. And I realized that it was because I was trying to build a structure that was based on somebody else. And so you like keep talking about getting in this like rhythm. And I think part of that is being in the rhythm with your own body and your own family. And so for me, I know that I do my best office work in the morning. Mm-Hmm so in the morning, you know, I get up and I have my breakfast and then I just sit down and while my brain is fresh, I do that stuff. That's kind of mentally taxing. And then if I, even if I'm in a paint, I don't generally paint in the morning because my brain, I just don't wanna paint in the morning. so

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Yeah, exactly. I think you're, you're, everyone's got their best, their prime time, I think, for sure. And before, like I said before, I had these, this set of kids, there's no way you could have, I would never have worked well in the morning and I did my best and the evenings and late at night. So I think it's important that you identify it and, and then really capitalize on it and then go for it. figure out when is your best time and then really take advantage of it.

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Yeah. And I think that that takes us as women checking in with ourselves, I think it's easy for women to continue give, give, give, give, give, and sometimes it feels bad to not like to be like, okay, I can't give for a moment. Like I need to be thinking about, I need to check in with my own self here. And so like acknowledging that your own self is important and, and checking in and being flexible, like working with myself and not against myself and then working to not be judgemental against what I'm doing or trying have just been a much more fertile ground for creativity and growth and developing better systems. Because if we sit there and we judge ourselves, we're always gonna be second guessing things. We're always gonna feel unsure about it. And so, yeah, you mentioned earlier every morning's a new morning and I think that's something I think about quite a bit is just trying to remember that every morning, you know, we just had this new year and everybody feels fresh and being that feels good.

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And we can remind ourselves that that is something that we can do every morning or, you know what, like, even in the middle of the day, it's like anybody, who's a horse person. Sometimes you're like riding a young horse and you start practically getting in a fight with 'em. They've just, you've both got two different opinions about what is supposed to be happen. And, and you just have to be like, okay, okay, we're gonna stop a second and we're gonna, we're gonna patch your neck and we're gonna, we're gonna sit here and calm down. And then how do we, how do we be productive? Because like fighting with ourselves is just like fighting with that young horse. Like you're not gonna get anywhere. And if anything, somebody's gonna get upset, you know?

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Yeah. yeah. I agree. And I think too kind of what you're saying is well, there's two things that the judgment, I think that's a, a big thing. Because I feel like we're either judging ourselves against other women and we think, oh, they're doing it right. They're being so much more productive than me, cuz I, I do like, I, I literally a weakness I have is there are some artists and you're one of 'em that you're you guys, you guys are just hammering it. And I'm like, man, they're so much more productive than I am. I think, no, wait a minute. Every, they they're, they're doing their own thing and or we judge, we judge other women like, well they're not doing as much as I am. I mean, so like said that, just taking it easy. And just to just work your own work, your own program, stay in your lane.

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mm-hmm because what's, what's a weakness for me or yeah. It's just, it's it's all good. It's really good to think about. And I think too, with what you're saying with, I think it's a delicate balance to careful not to let the, the drive and the hard work and the determination take over because creativity is such a delicate balance. I think artists are very sensitive in, in a lot of ways, but artists, we do, we feel everything around us. So we, sometimes we lack the drive and the discipline to carry a project through, but then sometimes we let the drive and the discipline overtake, and then we forget about the creative artistic side that got us there. So it's like, yeah, everything just works together is an integral part of all this. So

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I think it comes down to balance, you know, and balance, can it balance? Isn't always like everything is exactly. Even like sometimes this one side needs more than the other and that's okay. Yeah. You know, and that's where that non-judgment comes in. But I think like, yeah, as long as you are trying your best, nobody can ask more of views than that. Like at all's and you'll you'll grow and you'll gain the skills and just take advantage of know opportunities to learn. It really it's amazing. Like how much is taking an educational opportunity or like even just talking to your artist friend, who's, you know, a little bit further along than you. And, and I think recognizing, and, and this is really important for me, for cowgirl artists of America, is that recognizing that we're all in this together and that all rise together and that there is enough to go around and there, we don't need to be feeling this constant feeling of competition with one another you.

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And so I just, it's kind of funny to me when you mentioned like me being super productive and I'll tell you some of those are tricks of social media. , here's a, a random, a random social media tip for people listening. But like I used to immediately post what I was working on. Like I would take this video and I'd be so excited and I, everyone to see it. And now I don't, I sit on it for a little bit because what happens is you go through these seasons, like you're talking about, and you might be painting prolifically. And if you've just been posting, posting posting, then all of a sudden, if you get sick or you have to go outta town, you have nothing to keep that engagement up. I posted a photo yesterday of this bull that I'm working on and I had had that done last week.

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It was just, you're making these conscious decisions. It's really neat. Yeah. I, so you make these conscious decisions. I think we often feel dishonest if we do things like that. And I really that's true. Yeah. I want to encourage artists to not feel that way because being an artist is a very unique sort of business and recognizing that it is a business and that you have a business and a brand, and that is in some way, separate from the art that you're creating, nobody would look at if Nike made a new shoe and they waited six months or whatever it was to post it and market it nobody'd be like, oh, they made that shoe six months ago. That's so dishonest of them. We'd be like, oh, that's business and marketing. And it is okay for artists to do that too. When you learn how to manage social media, that way it can take so much pressure off of you. Mm-Hmm because you just start learning how to be proactive instead of reactive. And you're not just flying by the seat of your pants anymore.

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Wow. That's really good advice. And see that's, that's why we need you Megan. for sure. For

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Sure. Well, Kenzie, thank you so much. I know you've been so busy and I really appreciate you sharing your time and your insights with everyone. I just hope that people are excited to get involved and join us because it's just such a great, a great community.

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Yeah. I thank you so much, Megan. I'm really excited to see where it's headed and, and just really commend you and what you're doing and just honor to be here and, and Hey kudos. No kids barged in, so we did awesome. Oh, nice. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you so much. And I look forward to more in the future and seeing, seeing where it's headed.

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